In reply to AnthonyGS :
While I would rather have the new Supra, or any performance car for that matter, with a manual. I totally understand Toyotas decision to debut the Supra with the ZF 8 speed. We all know that the take rate on manuals is dropping significantly, especially as you move up in price point. For a car that almost didn't get made it's no surprise that Toyota played it safe and went with the automatic. Reviews have been pretty positive about the Supra specific programming as well. Since the Z4 can be spec'd with a six speed, most journalists are anticipating an additional version of the Supra with a manual option. I hope that Toyota does decide to offer it at some point because it would really be a compelling option for a modern enthusiast car.
STM317
UltraDork
5/23/19 8:37 a.m.
AnthonyGS said:
Funny Toyota.... your other sporty car sells lot of manuals
https://jalopnik.com/u-s-buyers-still-overwhelmingly-choose-a-manual-for-th-1834945061/amp
But keep telling how awesome that torque converter is..... I’m sure F1 will be using torque converters soon and we’ll see them at LeMans soon.
Auto makers, making what they want instead of what the customer wants and then blaming the customer for it.... a recipe for success.
And then Genesis offers the new G70 with a manual and a bunch of other goodies and sells maybe 100/quarter
Yeah, I think the price point difference makes FRS sales a poor predictor of what Supra customers want. Not the same target market. That's like saying supercar customers want a cheap rattly interior in the GT because it sells so well in the Mustang....
Isn't that the one that blew up and burned spectacularly on it's first public outing?
NickD
PowerDork
7/3/19 1:12 p.m.
ultraclyde said:
Isn't that the one that blew up and burned spectacularly on it's first public outing?
No, it's a different one. The first one was built by Daigo Saito's Fat Five Racing. And that one didn't really blow up the engine, or burn to the ground either. There was a small fire underneath.
It looks enough like a Z4 that I won't really be able to see it as anything else. Possibly because it basically is.
Push button start. Covers on everything. Lots of electronics to expensively fail.
Yea... I am not the target audience for this by a long shot but I also have no desire to be in that audience.
Error404 said:
Push button start.
Most cars have pushbutton start these days.
my '13 135, my '15 BRZ, my current '18 Mazda 3, my girlfriends '16 Honda Fit............all pushbutton start.
AnthonyGS said:
Funny Toyota.... your other sporty car sells lot of manuals
https://jalopnik.com/u-s-buyers-still-overwhelmingly-choose-a-manual-for-th-1834945061/amp
But keep telling how awesome that torque converter is..... I’m sure F1 will be using torque converters soon and we’ll see them at LeMans soon.
Auto makers, making what they want instead of what the customer wants and then blaming the customer for it.... a recipe for success.
chaparral used torque converters successfully back in the day.
MotorsportsGordon said:
AnthonyGS said:
Funny Toyota.... your other sporty car sells lot of manuals
https://jalopnik.com/u-s-buyers-still-overwhelmingly-choose-a-manual-for-th-1834945061/amp
But keep telling how awesome that torque converter is..... I’m sure F1 will be using torque converters soon and we’ll see them at LeMans soon.
Auto makers, making what they want instead of what the customer wants and then blaming the customer for it.... a recipe for success.
chaparral used torque converters successfully back in the day.
I don't understand the torque converter/DCT argument. If you can make the ZF 8spd, perform like a BMW/VAG DCT, who cares what the exact technology is? It could be 87 hamsters in there running a pulley system, if it's just as fast, predictable, and reliable............I don't see the problem.
