Alllllllright, who built this here? (viper/2sk content)

http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/4660811241.html

I wish I had...

Not me, it appears finished.

Wally wrote: Not me, it appears finished.

QFT

"ABS delete, brake line tuck," basically stock brakes...

aussiesmg wrote:

Wally wrote: Not me, it appears finished.

QFT

This.

Why is there a bouquet of flowers where the Master Cylinder should be?

As for stock brakes, why would it be a huge deal? If the brakes stopped a fast car before, they should still stop a fast car. I was never clear on the relationship between HP upgrades and the need to "improve" brake systems that already work well. If the car is going to be tracked, then heat management should be considered.

Do Turbo versions of cars have bigger/better brakes?

Maybe they do and I don't know about it? Take a Volvo or Saab turbo car for instance.

But I suppose if your car can now do 170mph where it was capable of 105 then yeah, I get it.

How could you possibly afford to keep rear tires on that thing?

I doubt it's really that much lighter than an actual Viper, so it's probably not the warp speed machine you guys seem to think it is.

I'm really curious how it handles now. How much does the V10 weigh?

clutchsmoke wrote: I'm really curious how it handles now. How much does the V10 weigh?

It weighs ALL OF IT.

Wikipedia says 711lbs.

Swank Force One wrote: I doubt it's really that much lighter than an actual Viper, so it's probably not the warp speed machine you guys seem to think it is.

My guess is that the Miata with the V10 weighs about 1,000lbs less than the stock Viper.

ebonyandivory wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: I doubt it's really that much lighter than an actual Viper, so it's probably not the warp speed machine you guys seem to think it is.

My guess is that the Miata with the V10 weighs about 1,000lbs less than the stock Viper.

I highly doubt that, since a stock Miata barely (and not always) weighs 1000lbs less than a Viper.

S2000s are in the 2750-2900lb range, themselves. I don't know if i'd be surprised if someone told me this S2000 weighed MORE than a Viper.

Swank Force One wrote:

ebonyandivory wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: I doubt it's really that much lighter than an actual Viper, so it's probably not the warp speed machine you guys seem to think it is.

My guess is that the Miata with the V10 weighs about 1,000lbs less than the stock Viper.

I highly doubt that, since a stock Miata barely (and not always) weighs 1000lbs less than a Viper. S2000s are in the 2750-2900lb range, themselves. I don't know if i'd be surprised if someone told me this S2000 weighed MORE than a Viper.

2900lb S2000 - 460lb's for d20c drive-train + 711lb's for the 8.3 liter motor + 136 lbs for the transmission with fluids.

3287 pounds give or take some fluids. My ACR was ~3284 lbs dry. So yeah basically 1:1 with a normal viper but with non of the tire or brakes to actually do anything with it. Also wight balance might be a slight issue with another 400lb's sitting over the nose and further forward.

In reply to wearymicrobe: this math seems to check out. Also insurance for the S2000 is probably higher than the Viper.

Take away my GRM secret decoder ring: I looked so quickly at the picture (esp the rear) I mistakenly thought it was The Answer!

So it's still stupid fast, as in Viper fast. In my books that makes it quite a rocket.

19x10 rear wheels could take a decent set of rubber.

It appears to be very nicely finished and well sorted.

I like it. I think his asking price is pretty decent. I couldn't build it for that.

It's and S2000 with a Viper V10. What is there to complain about?!?!?

06 Viper engine? Pah, still a little weak on torque then, just like a regular S2K

In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

Even worse than an S2K really, because no VTEC YO!!!!

NOHOME wrote: As for stock brakes, why would it be a huge deal? If the brakes stopped a fast car before, they should still stop a fast car. I was never clear on the relationship between HP upgrades and the need to "improve" brake systems that already work well. If the car is going to be tracked, then heat management should be considered.

Not sure if serious.

Take the car to the track.

Now increase weight and HP, more kinetic energy to turn into thermal energy (from the weight alone), now add in with more HP the car will going much faster down the straights (again an increase in kinetic energy) so braking will occur from a higher speed and last longer, meaning less time for the brakes to cool between braking zones, etc.

NOHOME wrote: As for stock brakes, why would it be a huge deal? If the brakes stopped a fast car before, they should still stop a fast car. I was never clear on the relationship between HP upgrades and the need to "improve" brake systems that already work well. If the car is going to be tracked, then heat management should be considered.

KE=(1/2)MV^2, kinectic energy increases exponentially with velocity. Furthermore, now that the car can accelerate faster, it will need to be stopped more often, meaning the brakes need to shed heat faster.

wearymicrobe wrote: 2900lb S2000 - 460lb's for d20c drive-train + 711lb's for the 8.3 liter motor + 136 lbs for the transmission with fluids. 3287 pounds give or take some fluids. My ACR was ~3284 lbs dry. So yeah basically 1:1 with a normal viper but with non of the tire or brakes to actually do anything with it. Also wight balance might be a slight issue with another 40lb's sitting over the nose and further forward.

I'd wager a bit less due to all of the delete mods that have been done. A/C, ABS, etc. STR cars that keep that stuff weigh right around 2700 with 1/2+ tank of gas.

Of course, he added weight with the R200 rear end and possibly with the exhaust (stock S2000 mufflers are incredibly heavy).

Still, yeah, a whole lot of power and not a lot of tire to handle it.

That sounds like a combination for FWD weight distribution on a RWD car