Berck
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10/3/22 10:10 a.m.
I really enjoyed it. Hilarious that Max's tactic is now to damage his competitors' front wing end fences then complain about how dangerous they are on the radio. Haas has said that these bits are tethered on and won't come off, yet they keep meatballing Magnussen over it. Just what, exactly, was Lewis complaining about on the opening lap about the tire selection with the team not listening to him? Did he want full wet tires? I can't imagine that would have worked out for him. I'm waiting to hear exactly how it is that Masi caused him to drive a perfectly functional car into the wall.
Checo drove a fantastic race, and I like seeing him win. I'm not entirely sure what his comment about "we keep our mouths shut and work hard," meant, exactly, but I take it as a contrast to the typical whinging we continuously hear from some of the other front runners. Sad that I didn't hear the announcers even mention Ricciardo's 16th->5th recovery (mostly on pit strategy).
In reply to Berck :
The commentators somehow found out that the Hamilton situation was new vs used inters. Given they had only one set of new inters, I'm betting they went conservative to preserve it. New tires probably would have helped the launch, which would have helped keep him ahead of Sainz. Maybe.
trigun7469 said:
RB played it well knowing that a penalty was coming by bating Charles running off his tires, then easily built a lead. If F1 really wants to penalize someone they do what sports car racing which is a stop and hold in the pits. Which essentially ruins your race.
A 5 second penalty given during the race is taken as 5 seconds before work can start on the car at the next pit stop.
They also have drive through penalties (drive through pit lane without stopping) and a 10 second stop/go (same, but stop in your pit box for 10 seconds with no work at all). Drive through given after the race is converted into 30 seconds of time, presumably the other one is more but I haven't seen it happen.
The 5 second penalties showed up 5 or 6 years ago, before that the smallest one they had was the drive through. For stuff like the minor safety car procedure thing that didn't really have any effect I think the 5 second penalty is fine. IMHO they're too lenient in some cases, especially leaving-the-track-and-gaining-an-advantage penalties. A 5 second penalty for that is easily something that's "worth it" if you can get past and pull out more than 5 seconds ahead of the other car, whereas a drive through that must be taken within 3 laps completely zeroes any advantage.
Several race rags are reporting that Nyck has signed with Toro Rosso.........erm Alpha Tauri, which means Gasly is free to go to Alpine now.
That leaves the Williams and potentially HAAS seats left to fill......can't say I'll be sorry to see the Canadian rolling roadblock leave, but I really want to see Mick get another year.
My one takeaway is that Max's car didn't want to come off the corners. He was definitely faster and would close up by the corner entry but then drop back 5 to 10 car lengths... possibly the "drivability problem" that Checo radioed about?
In reply to triumph7 :
Good point.
HAAS started the season like gangbusters, lots of top 10 qually for Kmag, but now it seems they struggle for race pace.
Still, I think Mick could use another season behind the wheel, even of the HAAS. Since all that's left open is the Williams seat, I think staying where he is is the better choice - assuming he gets a choice.
Kevin's biggest problem is that he drives like he is racing a DPi. Knock a dive plane off, no big deal. Unfortunately, that method doesn't work quite as well in F1.
Herta finalizes multi-year IndyCar contract extension with Andretti They elude that he would be the lead driver for the Andretti F1 bid. I think Herta is a good driver, but it would seem to be a giant leap with very little experience in Europe and only a couple test programs with McLaren.
In reply to trigun7469 :
Then it's 100% on Andretti to make sure he has enough points to be his driver in F1. Better win him the championship next season.
And the fact that they haven't come close for a while is why I'm not exactly positive to have Mike in F1. If he can't really compete with Ganassi and Penske in Indycar, how is he even going to compete with Haas?
Did anyone else hear the answer that someone on max's team gave in the pre-race track walkthrough when asked if he thought max could win from where he started? (5th iirc).
he said no! I couldn't believe it. I know the track is tight but I believe he took the lead from 7th in 12 laps at Monza.
i thought it was odd.... like he knew something we didn't.
Berck
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10/4/22 11:38 p.m.
Started 8th, finished 7th, but gained a dozen places over the race? It was probably possible if he didn't keep giving it away.
Berck said:
Started 8th, finished 7th, but gained a dozen places over the race? It was probably possible if he didn't keep giving it away.
This was not a race that rewarded aggression, as many people found out.
So no cost cap report today, it's been delayed til next Monday.
“The FIA informs that the conclusion of the analysis of the 2021 financial submissions of the Formula 1 teams and the subsequent release of Certificates of Compliance to the Financial Regulations will not take place on Wednesday, 5th October. The analysis of financial submissions is a long and complex process that is ongoing and will be concluded to enable the release of the Certificates on Monday, 10th October.”
Am I overly cynical if I read this as "we need more time to figure out how to cook the books so that we don't have to exclude Red Bull from the 2021 championship for spending too much" ?
In reply to 06HHR (Forum Supporter) :
It's not really a dead end- it was just a mistake- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZkLd3WVrlk&ab_channel=FORMULA1
Mike talks about the issue (without being specific) as well as the idea fans have of "concept" isn't quite accurate.
edit- it's interesting that the Race still thinks it's an aero issue, when Mercedes have consistently suggested it was a bouncing problem. And given they saw the problem on their filming day on a very wet Silverstone- it sure seems more a chassis bouncing problem vs. a aero bouncing problem. Plus, they struggle more on rough tracks than smooth ones.
In reply to alfadriver :
Just finished the podcast, illuminating stuff. It seems they've identified the issue so they don't repeat it for 2023. Has to be frustrating as they basically mortgaged the 2021 season to develop the W13, and it hasn't met expectations.
In reply to 06HHR (Forum Supporter) :
It was- it will be interesting to see the car for next season, for sure. But I hope they can win this season, still.
alfadriver said:
Gasly to Alpine is official- https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-gasly-to-race-for-alpine-alongside-ocon-in-2023.2KAog8YGlyBOFO5SskzYXD.html
Which means Nyck De Vries to Alpha Tauri- https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alphatauri-announce-nyck-de-vries-for-2023-alongside-tsunoda.3DDtgup7xpVfRgdTd9HFyW.html
nice to see a new driver in F1.
alfadriver said:
Gasly to Alpine is official- https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-gasly-to-race-for-alpine-alongside-ocon-in-2023.2KAog8YGlyBOFO5SskzYXD.html
Gasly and Ocon as team mates. This will be interesting because Ocon wronged Gasly in the past and they are not friends. When asked why these two French drivers, who karted together, are not friends, Gasly replied "He knows what he did".
Skipped through the Q replay- it was kind of interesting that the RB's didn't speed up for the last run, but the Ferraris did- just not enough.
MB was faster because they started with used tires.
Unless there's a facas at the start, it sure looks like Max will take it this weekend.
Merc certainly isn't covering themselves in glory. I wonder whether they have decided its next year country and are spending some of this year's budget on next year's car. Or they have burned this year's dough on upgrades that haven't worked and they are broke now.
Alpine looks good this week.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Listening to their technical director, they won't be able to fully fix this on this year's car. They may compete for a win someplace, but it won't be Japan- too many high speed corners. Even so, they are not *that* far behind RBR. The team that has made more progress in raw speed is Alpine. But since they have not translated that to points- they are fighting with McLaren.
So does anyone else have concerns that the ESPN TV live race coverage is now gone? It was there, I set it to record but when I double checked it last night and there is some UFC fight after the standard pre-show. The race was shown to start at 9pm Sunday EDT. So changed my DVR settings.
Then this morning the race doesn't show up on the channel guide until 12am Monday? So changed my DVR again. But I feel like I will have to just watch it on the ESPN app and suffer the commercials that sometimes appear.
