Does that mean you can't bring one into Ca if it was purchased and registered in another state?
Does that mean you can't bring one into Ca if it was purchased and registered in another state?
bring on the super trap exhaust!
accordionfolder said:Lol, I clicked on this thread knowing what would be inside.
Yep.
I'll probably click on the next thread about HOAs too.
ProDarwin said:accordionfolder said:Lol, I clicked on this thread knowing what would be inside.
Yep.
I'll probably click on the next thread about HOAs too.
Have we started discussing oil yet?
In reply to iansane :
that doesn't change because of the transmission. In gear exhaust sound is the same between the two...
Streetwiseguy said:That doesn't really surprise me. It seems most of the European high zoot cars are objectionable loud now, almost like the designers heard a 69 427 Camaro with chambered exhaust, and used that as a baseline.
The EU has much tighter noise standards than here in the US. Maybe they thought it would be more alluring if it were 'forbidden' in California.
Seems like a pretty lame excuse to me, though. As if there's a deeper problem with the car, but they use "noise" as a cover for some other failing.
In reply to alfadriver :
That is what I was stumbling on, too... Euro noise standards are fairly strict, I can't see a car failing in the US and being Euro friendly.
jfryjfry (FS) said:Does that mean you can't bring one into Ca if it was purchased and registered in another state?
No, it just means that Porsche can't sell them new here. Of course, there's a year+ long waiting list for GT3s and the people on that list aren't going to find it easy to swap their spot at a CA dealer for one in Nevada or whatever.
As for the noise limit, while it's dumb that the PDK passes and the manual fails, the testing procedure is an SAE standard. It's just an old one that was written in the 70s/80s, which includes certain assumptions about the way automatics and manuals work that aren't really valid any more.
jfryjfry (FS) said:Does that mean you can't bring one into Ca if it was purchased and registered in another state?
You can bring one into CA registered somewhere else, but you can get in a lot of trouble if you're caught with a California license driving an out of state car.
If you talk about wanting to bring it in and register it in California, cars have to be certified to be sold in California. I learned this when I was researching Exiges.
For example this vehicle is able to be sold in California.
However, this one is not:
So if you didn't want to get in trouble from the rozzas and you wanted to just buy the car from out of state and register it in CA, you won't be able to.
hunter47 said:So if you didn't want to get in trouble from the rozzas and you wanted to just buy the car from out of state and register it in CA, you won't be able to.
A few misconceptions in this thread. First, if you live in another state and have another state's plate on the car, you can drive it into CA perfectly legally. There's nobody standing at the state line checking VINs.
For emissions specificially, new cars sold here need to meet CA emissions, and CA residents are not allowed to register a car bought out-of-state without CA emissions unless that car is at least 6 months old (with certain exceptions to cover things like people who bought a new car just before moving to CA). Once the car is 6 months old it can be registered in the state whether or not it has CA emissions. At one point there was a one-time "smog impact fee" of around $500 for doing this, but that was ruled unconstitutional a couple decades ago.
They aren't going to let you register a car that wasn't originally federally/EPA legal, so there isn't an easy way to import Japanese cars that were never sold here. (it *can* be done, but it requires a lot of certification of an individual car. There are companies that specialize in doing this for R33s and the like, but it's not cheap)
Now that's all irrelevant to the question here because noise regs are not part of emissions. AFAIK the only restriction on these cars is that until CA updates the testing provision to the newer SAE standard (under which the manual car passes) Porsche isn't allowed to sell new ones.
In theory the noise regs and SAE standard are supposed to apply to any car in the state and is the basis for writing "excessive exhaust noise" tickets. In practice the testing specified in the SAE standard is fairly involved and requires expensive training and equipment, and they never funded a program to actually test individual cars.
Just add it to the list of reasons to live somewhere else
Road and Track wrote about this. Apparently it's the way Cali does the noise test, the manual stays in third gear for a WOT run. The auto is in third gear but they won't let it kickdown in gears. So they can't go WOT with it...
I am surprised Porsche is not offering a revised exhaust system that is compliant
Another question: If you purchase one of these manual cars in another state and you move to CA say in a year or two will they let you register it? Does CA have a specific list of cars that they will not allow to be registered in that state?
Edit: I think I answered my own question. It looks like if you provide a title from another state and the car has over 7,500 miles on it you can register a 49 state legal car in CA.
I can see a lucrative business opportunity that would involved a lot of "test" driving 911 GT3's
In reply to mr2s2000elise :
CARB is impactful to me. Guess it's because I don't have an out of state address, or a "smog guy". And I despise the idea of converting a vehicle back every two years, just to unconvert it immediately after.
docwyte said:Road and Track wrote about this. Apparently it's the way Cali does the noise test, the manual stays in third gear for a WOT run. The auto is in third gear but they won't let it kickdown in gears. So they can't go WOT with it...
It's actually the way the SAE wrote the spec for the noise test :)
Pete. (l33t FS) said:mr2s2000elise said:In CA "plates" aren't what kills us. Its the sales tax on a transfer/purchase. I refuse to pay that as does every one else. Pretty apparent if you come to a Cars and Coffee.
It's 8% in Ohio to do that.
Of the keeper (non flip cars) My $45,000 2021 Tac0 - would be $4500 DMV CA fee.
And?
Try one of the states where annual registration is tied to the car's value. 10%-ish per year, every year.
Glad NJ doesn't do that. You pay by weight class. My Abarth was $45 and the Disco was $80
Where my BIL got in trouble was he had homes in both California and Nevada. His car was plated in Nevada but he had a California drivers license. Someone turned him in or a dick cop saw the Nevada plates over a period of time of more than 30 days and pulled him over. You only have 30 days to register a new purchase, new or used, in California and since he had a California DL, it hit the fan.
Nevada at the time didn't have an issue with gray market cars so he registered it there and had he a Nevada drivers license it wouldn't have been an issue. Anyone from another state can drive their cars in California. There are no border checks (other than for fruits and vegetables). But if you move here or live here and buy an out of state car you need to register your car here. Common sense to me.
On another note, I bought a new 2009 Mini Cooper JCW from Minneapolis because I got it for MSRP and the dealers here were all adding $4-6000 over. Flew back and drove it home, went to the DMV and registered it. No problem. I even saved more money because when it came time to pay the sales tax the lady asked me "what's it worth?". I started to say "I paid.." and she stopped me and said " I didn't ask you what you paid for it, I asked you what it's worth. If you drove it from Minneapolis it's no longer a new car". Knowing that cars lose approx 25% as soon as you leave the lot I gave her a number about 25% less than what I paid and that's what I paid sales tax on.
In reply to 67LS1 :
I even saved more money because when it came time to pay the sales tax the lady asked me "what's it worth?". I started to say "I paid.." and she stopped me and said " I didn't ask you what you paid for it, I asked you what it's worth. If you drove it from Minneapolis it's no longer a new car".
Now that's my kind of government employee!
dean1484 said:I am surprised Porsche is not offering a revised exhaust system that is compliant
Somebody screwed up by not checking compliance earlier in the game. At this point designing and certifying a revised exhaust system is likely more expensive than giving up a handful of sales in CA. Since Porsche doesn't build very many cars in the first place they'll likely sell them elsewhere anyway. In fact, I know a couple of guys who'd buy them just so they can brag about owning a car that's too loud to sell in California.
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