In reply to Slippery (Forum Supporter) :
Toyman has said he already had it as part of voluntary testing.
My answer was yes I would take it, but I doubt I will be on any priority list that would make it available to me any time in the foreseeable future (more than a year). In that time, my answer could change.
I like your chart, but not sure the names are a good idea.
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
Paul, you should probably reread that post. It was entirely tongue in cheek.
I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. It is in 6 different stages and I received my first dose this morning at 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe and I’m ok, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо. Comrade
In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
If anything this whole thing shows how stupid our country is ran, and why so many other countries are appalled how our country operates.
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
I agree. I stand by my opinions but creating a chart for how/who we feel about this situation seems like a horrible idea.
In reply to Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) :
Oh crap! Sorry... I blew that!
Subscriber-unavailabile said:
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
I agree. I stand by my opinions but creating a chart for how/who we feel about this situation seems like a horrible idea.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that, for the reason I noted. If I where to guess the percentage of people who responded they will not get the vaccine I would have guessed it at far higher then he showed it was. That makes it good info in my book.
The names he listed where people he did not know what there stance was. I don't see any harm in that.
BTW - we should all be aware we are referring to ONE of the vaccines (the most expensive and most difficult to transport also). There are many others 6 currently being used (some you may not be impressed with their trail process) and 45(!) others currently in trial, so if this one is not perfect in some ways, others might be. There are a lot of different processes being tried.
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker
Well... vaccine or not, I found out my 83 year old aunt with dementia just test positive and has a fever. She is already in isolation at her assisted living home in western NC, but I doubt there's much they can do for her other than wait and hope. The frustrating part is the home seemed to really be trying to be trying to keep it under control (my mother gets daily updates from their management), but once it got in it was tough to get rid of and it seems to have spread quickly.
In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope she heals quickly!
I've said I won't be first but I'll be joining soon, and the last few days I've been reading a lot of online posts by multiple friends in the medical and health industries. Like one friend that studies viruses and heavy duty medical research with a Masters degree.
Every one of them say they're taking it as soon as they can get it. Hmm, I feel like I can follow personal friends that actually have a good idea of what they're doing.
I will get it when it is available to me.
I lost a cousin a couple weeks ago. He was a healthy middle aged guy that spent his last 7 days on a ventilator. Some of the ugly, ugly things I have heard from friends and family since his passing have been quite eye opening.
I got some clarity on the preventing infection/preventing symptoms debate (is it a vaccine or is it a therapeutic)
According to NPR, it is a vaccine and is expected to control the infection, not just stop symptoms. The reason for the confusing reporting is that the CDC hasn't confirmed that it prevents infection with the appropriate data. The test patients who were given the vaccine tested negative for symptoms and they are still compiling data before they can actually declare it scientifically effective at preventing the infection.
It walks like a vaccine, quacks like a vaccine, but until they actually do the tests and compile the data, they can't say it's a duck.
So it is a true vaccine, they just don't want to report that it prevents infection until they have the data to prove it.
logdog (Forum Supporter) said:I will get it when it is available to me.
I lost a cousin a couple weeks ago. He was a healthy middle aged guy that spent his last 7 days on a ventilator. Some of the ugly, ugly things I have heard from friends and family since his passing have been quite eye opening.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Thanks for the clarification. At 72 and a school bus driver. I'll be among the earlier people getting it. While there is still an element of risk, I believe it's better than not taking it.
In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
That's good to know.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:....It walks like a vaccine, quacks like a vaccine, but until they actually do the tests and compile the data, they can't say it's a duck.
So it is a true vaccine, they just don't want to report that it prevents infection until they have the data to prove it.
BUT... they cannot say if it will give you an uncontrolled urge to drive a Miata! (Or the monkey thing) 
But seriously, there is potentially dangerous language / meaning issues going on between the scientific community, the media and the public. I mostly blame the media since they have the resources and knowledge to know better (know there is potential for confusion) and it's kind of there whole JOB! (reporting things in a way most can understand)
Thanks for the clarification. If you haven't, you might want to check out that link I posted on the status of the current vaccines and trails. If you open up each one it gives you info on how they work and what they know of from the ongoing trails.
In reply to Slippery (Forum Supporter) :
I'm going to get it as soon as I can. The hospital system I work for is supposed to get some of the Pfizer vaccine this week, but I don't work in a Covid ward so I'm not in the first group to get it. Hopefully early January depending on how things go.
Substitute teacher at my wife's school just got admitted to the hospital with covid. Hope he recovers. His whole body broke out in a rash and can't breathe.
scary. Can't wait until teachers get it.
Jerry said:...the last few days I've been reading a lot of online posts by multiple friends in the medical and health industries. Like one friend that studies viruses and heavy duty medical research with a Masters degree. Every one of them say they're taking it as soon as they can get it. Hmm, I feel like I can follow personal friends that actually have a good idea of what they're doing.
I'm glad you've moved well into the "get the shot" camp but there are millions of other Jerry's out there that don't enjoy the benefit of having multiple friends in the business that they trust. Those people tend to be highly influenced by the self serving drivel coming from main stream and social media.
I work in medical device engineering (16 years) rather than pharma so I fall under 21 CFR Part 820.xxx but the concepts are essentially identical between devices and meds and I've got piles of certifications (Design Control, Process Validation, and QSIT all from AAMI) a CQE (Certified Quality Engineer) from ASQ, and a bunch of other stuff. Folks, corners weren't cut, what was cut was a massive check from the Federal Government to fund concurrent development. i.e., start producing vaccine by the truck load long before there's any confidence that the clinical trials will suggest that a vaccine is "safe and effective for it's intended use". The FDA knows the world is watching them so their selfish interest is to minimize the risk of getting this wrong and Trump has publicly criticized them on multiple occasions (and he's on his way out) so it's not like they could be motivated to return a favor.
I won't say there's no risk to getting the vaccine because I'm a realistic, somewhat knowledgeable, person that tries hard to be transparent and honest. But, I will say that our medical system is right up against its capacity (we can't tolerate a larger percent of the population being sick at any given time) and we can't just pay people to stay home indefinitely (crushing debt is being accumulated) and the race is on to minimize the amount of virus out there before it can mutate into something else.
I'll get the vaccine the instant it's available to me as...
1. I assess the risk of the vaccine to be less than the risk of getting COVID (56 y/o with slight, well managed hypertension and a history of childhood asthma)
2. This is (hopefully) a once in a lifetime problem and I'm willing to "take one for the team" so to speak...I understand the science which makes me less afraid than others so I'm ready to be one of those early data points that reassures / encourages others to get vaccinated so we can get to that heard immunity level ASAP.
They were able to take mom off oxygen today and things went well so hopefully she'll get to go home sometime this week.
In other news the coworker I allegedly infected is out of the hospital with a possible return to work date of the 21st. He only has one lung and developed pneumonia along with it. Says he's not feeling well still but hopeful he'll get back.
Wed 11 am first shot scheduled
Second shot 3 weeks later.
At this facility , they are doing 140 people a day here.
Updated.
Nick Comstock said:They were able to take mom off oxygen today and things went well so hopefully she'll get to go home sometime this week.
In other news the coworker I allegedly infected is out of the hospital with a possible return to work date of the 21st. He only has one lung and developed pneumonia along with it. Says he's not feeling well still but hopeful he'll get back.
I am extremely glad to hear of both your mom and your coworker Nick!
In reply to Slippery (Forum Supporter) :
I'm sorry I missed your pole. Please put me down for Going to get it ASAP
After Britain, Canada now accepts Pfizer vaccine. Hopefully, if good news continues more countries will follow suit.
In reply to Slippery (Forum Supporter) :
Another yes here.
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