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NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/26/23 12:18 p.m.

Pretty interesting was that 4 years ago, to celebrate the 150th anniversary of North Wales, PA, New Hope & Ivyland got permission to take the #40 out over the SEPTA main line and run over to North Wales with excursions over what had been the Reading's Bethlehem Branch. It was the first time that the #40 had left NH&I rails since 1985, and was also the first steam excursion hosted by SEPTA in decades as well. At the time, SEPTA was able to host the steam locomotive because a freight railroad that connected SEPTA was not yet in full compliance with PTC rules, setting back the final date SEPTA had to comply with all PTC rules and standards. That loophole has since closed, but it seems like if you were to go to SEPTA with a PTC-equipped steam locomotive, they might be willing to allow you to run over their rails, or at least not immediately dismiss the idea.

NickD
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10/26/23 12:19 p.m.

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10/26/23 12:20 p.m.

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10/26/23 12:20 p.m.

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10/26/23 12:21 p.m.

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10/26/23 12:59 p.m.
NickD
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10/27/23 12:01 p.m.

Full details finally came out for the FRA/CARB deal with Napa Valley Wine Train. Napa Valley will get significant federal and state grants for the replacement of 6 older locomotives with two Tier 4 emissions-compliant locomotives from Knoxville Locomotive Works. The replaced locomotives do not have to be scrapped, but they have to be rendered inoperable (typically by cutting huge holes in the engine block) and cannot be placed back in service unless they have their prime mover replaced with Tier 4-compliant powertrains. The 6 locomotives being retired are:

a)
#52 GE 65 ton
#57 GE 80 ton
#72 MLW FPA-4
-> for one KLW Tier4 with 1560hp MTU engine

b)
#62 Alco RS-11
#69 EMD GP9R
#70 MLW FPA-4
-> for one KLW Tier4 with 1560hp MTU engine

It's nice that at least the shells don't have to be scrapped, a la Cash For Clunkers, but it sucks that they can't be sold for occasional use in preservation unless you bastardize them with some Tier 4 swap. The two MLW FPA-4s are the obvious ones that really hurt, its rough seeing covered wagons be knocked out of service pretty much permanently, but also, there aren't exactly a ton of RS-11s floating around in preservation either.

And those classic FPA-4s in that champagne, green and maroon looked really classy.

The things they're being replaced with look like malformed RS1325s. Certainly not attractive, and don't really fit the experience of a $550 ticket.

 

The good news is that they have an additional two FPA-4s that they are not using as credit towards this program. Hopefully they keep those for occasional use or sell them to someone who wants them as-is. Not sure who that would be, since the previous biggest operator of FPA-4s, Grand Canyon Railway, has parked theirs in favor of F40PHs and is rumored to be looking to unload their fleet as well. 

I'm also curious to see how these KLW locomotives work out. Granted, they seem to be one of the more-established "green" locomotive companies, but there are plenty of horror stories of railroads sending out equipment to be rebuilt by some of these joints, or purchasing new rebuilds, and the locomotives are delivered and have a bunch of issues, and before the railroad can get them sorted out, the manufacturer goes out of business, leaving them with expensive, complicated, flawed orphans. Or, like the narrow-gauge converted 2000hp GP40s with F40 noses that Durango & Silverton ordered, they never get completed and the manufacturer goes bankrupt and vanishes with your money and leaves you with inoperable junk.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/27/23 3:42 p.m.

Those F40NGs or MP2000NGs, they were referred to as both, that Durango & Silverton bought that I mentioned were a weird tale, and ended up going the opposite way of what Napa Valley is doing. D&S tried to buy nice new modern, cleaner diesels and ended up going for old Alco/MLWs instead.

After the big 416 Fire in San Juan National Forest, which was traced back to being caused by a cinder from one of D&S's steam locomotives, D&S kicked off both their oil-burning conversion program and began looking at buying diesels to operate when the wildfire risk was at it's absolute worst. They got hooked up with Motive Power & Equipment Services in Greeneville, SC. MP&ES bought some of Florida-based Tri-Rail's old F40PHL-2s. They had begun life as regular GP40s of Penn Central heritage, which Morrison-Knudsen then installed HEP generators, passenger gearing and other necessary passenger equipment, and covered them with cut down F45 bodies. They ran on Tri-Rail from 1988 until the mid 2010s, before being retired.

MP&ES then took them, removed the 3000hp 645 EMD V12 and installed a 2000hp Caterpillar prime mover. They also cut the back off and installed a new road switcher style short hood that was very similar to the EMD 50- or 60-series locomotives. And, of course, the whole thing was to ride on 36" gauge trucks. The resulting machine was called an MP2000NG by Motive Power & Equipment Services, although it seemed liked D&S was going to classify them as F40NGs as indicated by class lettering on the cab sides. The two units, #1201 and #1202, were slated to be delivered in late 2018 or early 2019 but missed their delivery date. The main bulk of the locomotives ended up being delivered in summer of 2020 but were found to be missing components, like one of the sets of trucks, and had other design issues, like the fact that when the fuel tanks were installed and the locomotive was installed on it's trucks, there was negative clearance between the top of the rail and the bottom of the fuel tank.

After quite a bit of back and forth with the manufacturer and no solutions and then a general lack of communication from MP&ES, an employee who worked for one of D&S's sister companies drove to the MP&ES site in Greenville in January of '22 and noticed that the company’s signs had been removed and the property “appeared to have been deserted for a while. According to court documents, the company said it was forced to close because of “cash flow issues” after one of its major customers “defaulted on a project payment” of over $2.5 million. Meanwhile D&S filed a petition for arbitration against the company, claiming MP&ES failed to meet established deadlines to produce and deliver components for two diesel locomotives costing the passenger railroad over $3 million.

To this day, the F40NG/MP2000NGs sit in the back of the yard at Durango, without trucks or fuel tanks and up on wooden cribbing, and have never turned a wheel or seen any operation since they were ordered five years ago and delivered three years ago. And with MP&ES gone, it seems unlikely they'll run anytime soon, or ever. Might not be a bad thing, since Caterpillar power plants have proven to be quite unreliable, and after MP&ES filed for bankruptcy a number of disgruntled customers came out of the woodwork, talking about locomotives that were delivered that never ran right and had a litany of issues.\

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/27/23 4:43 p.m.

After ordering the F40NGs, and their repeated delays, the Alaska-based White Pass & Yukon put up a number of their Alco/MLW DL535E diesels for sale after receiving their new National Railway Equipment E3000CC-DCs. These had been purchased by the WP&Y in 1969 to help out their inadequate fleet of 90-series General Electric shovel-nose diesels, and were ordered with Alco and construction began at Schenectady, NY on seven locomotives with 1200hp Alco 6-251D inline-6 prime movers, GE 764 traction motors, multiple-unit capabilities, and six-axle C-C wheel arrangements. The units looked like shrunken C420s and were referred to as a DL535E, but before construction was completed, Alco left the locomotive business, having been stripped of operating capitol by new owners Studebaker-Worthington. The partially-constructed locomotives were then shipped up to Montreal, to still-extant Alco subsidiary Montreal Locomotive Works, and were completed there. They then were shipped (literally) all the way up to Skagway, Alaska and delivered to the WP&Y, only for tragedy to strike when locomotives #102 and #105 met their end before ever turning a wheel in revenue service when the Skagway roundhouse burned to the ground. The five other members of the DL535 fleet were left unharmed and soon began their 53-year-long careers. Orders were placed with MLW to build three more DL535Es like those that had just been delivered, and locomotives #108, #109, and #110 were built in December 1971 and joined their older siblings in hauling ore, freight, and passengers on the 110-mile railroad between Skagway and Whitehorse.

In 1982, Cyprus Anvil Mining abruptly closed the Faro Mine and that wiped out the ore traffic over White Pass & Yukon which quickly resulted in the closure of the railroad. The railroad actually had another four DL535Es, these with wide-nose cabs like an M420W, on order, but three of them ended up being diverted to US Gypsum instead, with just the #114 being delivered to Skagway. The closure didn’t last long, however, as the cruise ship industry kicked off in Alaska and the WP&Y reopened for the growing tourism industry, but found itself with an excess of motive power and the decision was made to sell some the DL535s. The DL535Es caught the interest of Sociedad Colombiana de Transport Ferroviaro, the National Railway of Colombia, and in 1992 five of the locomotives, #101, #103, #104, #106, and #107, were sold and loaded on a barge destined for South America. Just 7 years later, passenger traffic had increased to the point that WP&Y found itself short of power, and in 1999, for a second time, a deal was struck with SCdeTF to buy back all five DL535Es, which had never been used due to being too heavy for their rails, and barge them back to Alaska. Of note, the #101 nearly didn’t survive the trip home when it broke free from its tie-downs during a storm and nearly fell overboard. A quick detour was made to Eureka, CA where it was craned back in place to complete its journey to Alaska.

The DL535Es continued to churn out another 2 decades of service, but their age, lack of horsepower, and orphaned make, resulted in the WP&Y buying new EMD-powered locomotives from NRE and selling off four of them to Durango & Silverton. Kind of neat that they went from WP&Y to former D&RGW narrow gauge, since a number of D&RGW narrow gauge K-27s and K-28s had been shipped to the WP&Y during WWII. Originally used just for Maintenance of Way work, to save on boiler tickets, they've also seen use during high fire risk and on the shorter Cascade Canyon Express.

Old_Town
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10/28/23 8:49 a.m.

Old_Town
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10/28/23 8:52 a.m.

611 in the Shanadoah Valley of Virginia this week.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/28/23 10:14 a.m.

In reply to Old_Town :

Very nice. Your photos? I've seen some great photos coming from there.

I need to get down there to that operation, but it's not happening this year. Probably not next year. I saw it operating at Strasburg this year, but running tender-first and poking along at 5mph are not the way to experience that engine.

I will say though, man, that is an ugly-looking consist behind it, the result of having to source cars from 9 different locations/owners/leasers. The old C&NW bi-level commuter cars are particularly egregious, but they do allow a lot of people aboard, which helps keep ticket costs down to more reasonable levels. 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/28/23 10:18 a.m.

I did see this announcement from Buckingham Branch/Virginia Scenic/VMT:

"Due to an unforeseen mechanical issue, the Virginia Museum of Transportation, Inc. and Virginia Scenic Railway regrettably announce the necessary substitution of motive power for this weekend’s remaining Shenandoah Valley Limited excursions.
Diesel locomotives will be utilized to operate Saturday and Sunday’s excursions which will continue to depart from Victoria Station on their planned operating schedule. 611 will remain accessible to guests on static display throughout the weekend."

Giving me flashbacks to 2021. I was supposed to operate the #611 at Strasburg, and it was still down in Spencer, NC the week before. And then it broke the stoker auger a couple days before the ferry move up to PA, and they had to reschedule my slot from middle of May to early July. And then a week before the rescheduled day, it broke a leaf spring in the trailing truck, although fortunately got fixed in time. Such is life with 73 year old steam locomotives though.

Yours truly at the controls:

And riding the deckplate while they backed us clear at Leaman Place.

TheMagicRatchet
TheMagicRatchet New Reader
10/28/23 5:11 p.m.

I've been fascinated with 611 ever since I received the Lionel version for Christmas many, many, many years ago. Thanks for the pictures and helping me keep tabs on it as I really do hope to see it in person someday. 

Lou Manglass

914Driver
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10/30/23 8:20 a.m.
NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/30/23 12:41 p.m.

Canadian National just announced that they're selling one of their E9Ams, the #102, to Monticello Railway Museum. The #102, along with three other E9s (#100, #101, #102), were originally bought by Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, then rebuilt by Morrison-Knudsen into E9Ams for use in Burlington Northern's commuter operations in Chicago. Illinois Central then bought the four of them in 1996, repainted them into a modern black and silver livery, and used them in executive service. Just three years later, Canadian National acquired Illinois Central and the #100 and #101 were left in the IC black and silver, while the #102 and #103 were painted in the original Canadian National dark green and yellow. Over the years, CN repainted them again into the modern red, black and white in 2004, and then ten years later it repainted the #102 back into the original CN livery again but this time with the CN "noodle" on the side instead of Canadian National script. The other two, #100 and #101, were sold off to Iowa Pacific Holdings, who painted them into the classic IC brown and orange. IPH went bankrupt in 2019, and they've since been sold to Aberdeen, Carolina & Western and repainted into AC&W's yellow and maroon.

The two E9s that CN has held onto haven't seen a ton of use over the years. Mostly they hang around the Woodcrest Shops in CN's Markham Yard in Homewood, Illinois, and make occasional appearances on OCS trains or holiday or shipper specials. No word on if CN is also going to get rid of the #103 as well, but if they're getting rid of the #102, I can't imagine the #103 hanging around as well, since they never even cared to repaint that out of the modern CN colors back in 2014 when they redid the #102.

 

NickD
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10/30/23 12:42 p.m.

NickD
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10/30/23 12:44 p.m.

The #102 at  St. Boniface in Winnipeg for the CN Family Day back in 2014 after it was repainted

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/30/23 12:50 p.m.

Now, on one hand, Monticello does have an FPA-4, an FPB-4, and a Canadian Car & Foundry Company-built steam heat car all painted in the classic CN livery, so they might leave the #102 in this livery.

But also they have a bunch of Illinois Central-painted passenger cars, and they have an ex-PRR E8 that has been being restored to an Illinois Central appearance (it's being numbered #4044, one higher than IC's highest E8) and I could see them painting the #102 into that livery as well so that they'll have a matched set of E-units and a matched consist.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/30/23 1:48 p.m.

The old IC E9s in the modern executive scheme, which I thought was pretty sharp.

 

NickD
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10/30/23 1:48 p.m.

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10/30/23 1:49 p.m.

NickD
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10/31/23 12:38 p.m.

I'd like to get out to Monticello, possibly even more than IRM. Monticello, in my mind, has done an excellent job of right-sizing their collection and has made sure that their collection is almost entirely core to their mission and region. The only pieces I'd really argue don't belong are Southern Railway 2-8-0 #401 (Southern wasn't a player in Illinois, but the #401 does represent the small branch experience that they wish to demonstrate), "Illinois Central" RS-3 #704 (it's actually ex-LIRR and IC never owned any RS-3s) and Green Bay & Western "RS-20" #308 (and that isn't even really a display piece or used for passenger trains).

But other than that, they've got the Chicago & Illinois Midland RS-1325, the CN FPA/FBP-4 set, an Illinois Central GP11, an Illinois Central SD40, a Wabash F7 and a Milwaukee Road NW2 that they regularly operate. And then they've got the ex-Pennsy E8 being restored as an IC E8, and there's an Illinois Terminal SW1200 and an Illinois Central SW14 awaiting restoration. And of course, the ex-CB&Q/BN/IC/CN E9 that they're going to receive from Canadian National at some point in the future.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
10/31/23 1:36 p.m.

One of the most important pieces in Monticello's collection is Illinois Central #6071. What's so important about a plain old SD40? Well, it's the very first SD40 ever built, and also the first EMD produced with the new 645 engine. In fact, because it was an early prototype, EMD hadn't even settled on a frame design and so it rides on an SD35 frame, making it almost five feet shorter than the all other SD40s. It was sold to the GM&O as their #950 after a wreck destroyed one of their locomotives and EMD had the prototype sitting around gathering dust, then became part of Illinois Central Gulf in August of 1972 (the GM&O/IC merger) and was renumbered to #6071 and wore the rather rare orange and dark blue livery before eventually receiving the later black and white Illinois Central "Death Star" livery. It then became part of Canadian National in 1999 and continued to operate until 2009, still wearing the IC "Death Star" livery with the Operation Lifesaver logo on the side, before being donated to Monticello Railway Museum.

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