Well... I think, realistically, we can all be assured that there are a certain percentage of a-holes in every population (whites, black, city dwellers, country folk, tall, short, straight, gay, christian, muslim, fat, skinny, cops, bakers, doctors, fisherman etc).
Unfortunately, it's always the a-holes that get the most press.
Unfortunately, for a vast number of Americans, "To Protect and Serve" has come to mean "To Harass and Extort"
Bobzilla wrote:N Sperlo wrote:I don't and I owned one for years.Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to Will: Civilians can't (easily) own full auto ARs, submachine guns, etc.If I'm going to use an FA weapon in a crime, why would I buy it legally? I know how to turn an AK from SA to FA. I know where to find them stolen.
I tore down my Saiga to rebuild it to spec of an AK. The directions mentioned exactly what not to do in order to keep it legal.
N, I dunno what your Saiga directions said (Linky to the destructions?), but there is a lot more to it than just replacing some parts. There's drilling holes in the receiver and extra parts, for example. The directions were probably more concerned with the U.S. made parts count than anything else. If you replace a U.S. made trigger with a Russian trigger and you were at the minimum number of U.S. parts to start with, you are now not legal. You still don't have a FA and you did not change the functioning of the weapon at all, but it is no longer legal. That is Bush the First's gun control law, BTW.
N Sperlo wrote:Bobzilla wrote:I tore down my Saiga to rebuild it to spec of an AK. The directions mentioned exactly what not to do in order to keep it legal.N Sperlo wrote:I don't and I owned one for years.Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to Will: Civilians can't (easily) own full auto ARs, submachine guns, etc.If I'm going to use an FA weapon in a crime, why would I buy it legally? I know how to turn an AK from SA to FA. I know where to find them stolen.
So what does that have to do with making a semi auto full auto? People do the conversions to Saigas every day.
drsmooth wrote: In response to the OP.. Cops and criminals are the same demographic.. Just like professional wrestlers, you are a good guy or bad guy (Heel or Face for those in the know).. Ether way you are still a Wrestler.. When I was in High school all the kids who wanted to be cops were all the biggest criminals.. You wanted some weed, they were the ones to go to, you wanted some lumber they stole from woodshop.. Go to them. You want liquor or weed at a dance.... Go see them... Want some E36 M3 they stole from a house, store, locked car.... ECT... In my area, the ones that didn't get busted by the time they graduated, are all now cops.. I guess you could say that is a way of studying your future profession..
Although there are certain discreet qualities that cross the police/criminal populations, like enjoying high speed pursuits or generally having a high threshold for stress and adrenalin, I completely disagree that officers and criminals are two sides of the same coin acting out a human drama. Quite the contrary, actually. What might come as a total shock to people who don't interact with the police much is how much attention is actually paid to the rights of the suspected, and how much care is actually afforded to them once they are accused and in custody, being transported, given medical care, etc. These people being the very same who show absolutely no care for their communities, other people, their victims, and certainly not police officers.
That having been said, its an imperfect world. Some officers likely aren't good at it and shouldn't be doing it. Some just don't have the IQ, intellectually or socially, to deal with people in difficult circumstances. Most do. I've watched the video in the case the OP is referencing. I'm sure it could have gone down a different way and is indeed tragic. It occurred to me that the officer who started to strike the suspects legs with his baton was where things just started to spiral. Once other officers show up, they don't know what has already happened or how it started, they only see the struggle. I'm not making excuses for anyone, mind you, the video just impressed me that way.
In reply to Bobzilla:
I may be mistaking some of what I read, but modifying/damaging part x and y may result in z. Everthing I did was legal to (I believe the law was part) 922R.
I'll search around, but certainly won't link up illegal conversions. 
Damaging the disconnector or hammer can lead to a runaway situation, judged by the feds as illegal, but not an illegal conversion. Just an illegal dangerous broken gun. And the feds have determined that broken guns are illegal, FYI.
Sounds right to me.
This must be REALLY illegal then:
In reply to aircooled:
In the eyes of the ATF, that's probably a short barreled rifle now.
HOLY berkeley
I mean, it just needs a stamp...
I think you're right, Kenny.
For which, they will kick down your door, shoot your dog, maybe shoot you, and barring that, drag your sorry ass into a tax court where you have practically no rights(remember, the ATF is a tax agency). You can thank prohibition for all that.
http://whotv.com/2014/02/03/raid-filmed-ankeny-police-traumatize-family/
They need to be held accountable for this type of overkill behavior, and the security cameras will probably help. It's a sad day when you need security cameras to protect yourself from the police.
I think the part that kills me with this recent one: They weren't after a violent criminal. Not a murder suspect, not a rapist. Not some Al Quaeda cell. Credit card fraud. Really? You go full Jack Boot thug for credit card fraud?
That's what pissed me off more than anything. Their reasoning for using the battering ram? "They did not answer the door for them" No E36 M3, the Flash couldn't have gotten there quickly enough to answer that.
Nothing but a bunch of paid thugs.
Bobzilla wrote: I think the part that kills me with this recent one: They weren't after a violent criminal. Not a murder suspect, not a rapist. Not some Al Quaeda cell. Credit card fraud. Really? You go full Jack Boot thug for credit card fraud? That's what pissed me off more than anything. Their reasoning for using the battering ram? "They did not answer the door for them" No E36 M3, the Flash couldn't have gotten there quickly enough to answer that. Nothing but a bunch of paid thugs.
Better than all that - Credit card theft was the reason, they were wrong, nobody there had done that.
Oops! Sorry about all of those bullets! Our bad!
The militarization of the police is a very real threat to our liberty as citizens. At this point the police act more like an occupying force when conducting these raids for non-violent crimes.
IMHO this warrant could have been executed by some detectives in kevlar with eyes on the exits.
In reply to N Sperlo:
Let's outfit you with some riot gear, body armor and an assault rifle and see if you change your opinion.
bgkast wrote: In reply to N Sperlo: Let's outfit you with some riot gear, body armor and an assault rifle and see if you change your opinion.
I'm going to add a fake front door with a lubed up sliding board in hole in the floor that leads to a cell under the house. When they calm down and explain what they want... I'll let them out of the honeypot. 
Don't forget a tank with sharks with frikin lazerbeams attached to their heads.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I'm going to add a fake front door with a lubed up sliding board in hole in the floor that leads to a cell under the house. When they calm down and explain what they want... I'll let them out of the honeypot.
That's pretty funny.
I can imagine they would come up with all sorts of charges for that though. Or maybe just civil suits? Kind of like the traps the business set, then got sued by the robber robbing them.
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