Ugh.
having said that, I look forward to progress pix because I know you'll hit this out of the park like everything else in this thread.
Ugh.
having said that, I look forward to progress pix because I know you'll hit this out of the park like everything else in this thread.
If I get to screw around with and build a Ferrari for a dozen years my wife would not be asked to wear a sweater or slippers, haha.
wait...you guys get to TELL your wives things? Really?
...I don't. And I did say I raised the doors because after 20 years I kinda know what's coming. We talked about heat or insulation for the floor, I gave her numbers, she didn't like them and I was sent to replace ductwork and build walls. Now all the duct and wall stuff is paid for and I have about a month of work to get it done so the discussion is about what's next. I THOUGHT the theater basics (screen, projector, something, anything to sit on) were next since the kids are excited about it...I thought wrong :( Heated floor...which means build new stairs comes after that cause the bottom step will have an inch or more less rise than the rest once I raise the floor. I'm still holding out hope that the bathroom stays on hold....hard to say.....
Had to move a few more water pipes up into the joists for the ceiling but that's done now. I do not enjoy soldering pipes once they have water and no real way to drain them....only 1 leak I had to fix though so it went as well as could be expected I guess. insulation tomorrow, drywall should start Sunday I guess.
I'll add this story which is about equal parts funny and sad.
Some years back when the shop was in the basement but before the fire Lana was complaining about the smell....I'd used some kind of cleaner and she could small it in the house. I explained that is mostly because the cold air returns are in the joists and really not sealed, when both heating systems are running you could open the basement door about 2 ft and it would suck itself shut...a LOT of leakage. I proposed walling off the shop, plastic vapor barrier and drywall to really seal it off, then add a mini-split to the end wall for heat and and an air exchanger to bring in fresh to be sure shop smells don't build up. NO!
Then the fire and again I talked about the same thing and pointed out that the drywall is a fire barrier so there would have been no fire of smoke damage to the house...we should probably do this, NO! get the car out and rent someplace to work.....that got a no from me and the compromise was the detached shop.
When I did the ducts I sealed everything up pretty well....calked any holes going through the return air joists, lots of tape...general good job. now with both systems on it will maybe pull the door shut from 4-5 inches so WAY better and that is before drywall which I expect will stop that completely.
Today, Lana came down while I was soldering painted pipes so all kinds of unpleasant smells.....wow, I can't smell anything upstairs, I can't believe the difference! yeah...who would have guessed sealing it would make such a difference? The new shop is nice but I'd honestly kind of like to have the time and money back.......
Hell yeah I tell my wife things! That's a two way street, she doesn't get to just dictate what she wants to me!
In reply to docwyte :
Is it a 2 way street or do you tell her? Those 2 thoughts seem at odds ;)
Here Lana pretty much runs the house. She makes sure everything is taken care of, at meal time there is food, I open a drawer there are clean cloths, the bills paid, everything is taken care of.....but its not free as she also expects that when disagreements arise she will have the final say. In the workshop its reversed, but in the house, its her. If there is an actual technical reason I can't do what she wants that's one thing but with something like the floor heat "request" its better is everyway...its never wrong to put separate floors on separate heating zones, summer and winter a simple zoning controller will keep both floors comfortable (slippers in the basement as the floor will be pretty cold) but spring and fall the basement will be calling for heat while the 1st floor is calling for AC, adding supplemental heat to the basement solved that.
Space heaters are WAY easier but a warm floor is WAY nicer...so how do I argue against it? I thought cost had own the day. We talked about adding a 3rd air handler, that's 5k at least. The electric floor heat stuff ends up nearly $10/sqft which would be fine in a bathroom but but over $10k for the whole basement. I found some alum cover foam panels that hold pex and can go directly under laminate and just 3/4" tall and I thought that is what we settled on as a FUTURE upgrade and what I had in mind when I set the door up an inch, future because the panels are $5/sqft, then add pipe and everything so not much is any cheaper than electric but cheaper to run...but there is talk of a pool table and sitting on foam scares me a bit and anything sitting on the electric stuff is a no-no so no great answers but its a future problem..... the best answer is tear out the slab, insulation under, pipe in but ....at least 10k again and huge mess.
It turn out the future is now and those panels are not in budget now so the new plan is grind off the paint with a diamond wheel which will leave a pretty rough surface Lay wire mesh to have something to zip tie the pex to, planning 3/8" to keep height down. Bonding agent on the floor and more in the concrete mix and over-pour 1" to cover the pipe. the new concrete isn't structural so I"m thinking just do it in manageable size areas over several days...I can always skim coat the top with self leveler if I bug up the concrete surface. that pan gets pipes. This should get the pipe installed for around $2500...maybe 3k if it ends up needing the skim coat.
She still may change her mind and decide not to spend the money, that does happen sometimes once the reality of the numbers sets in...but for now I have a huge pile insulation and drywall to deal with. On the being helpful side, the driver wanted to leave it the driveway and told me no when I pointed to the "patio" by the basement doors....turned into a stand off and I told him I can't use it in the driveway, take it back. I go in and explain to Lana whats going on, she goes out and 5 minutes later the stuff was on the patio....she's just better at getting her way than most people.
My point is my wife doesn't tell me what to do and I just do it. If she wants me to do something we have a discussion, sometimes I end up doing it, sometimes I don't. I don't do the type of home projects you do, that stuff gets farmed out, so at that point its mostly a discussion about finances and do we have/want to spend the money for that work now.
What this boils down to for me is time, my wife doesn't get to tell me how I'm going to spend my time without us talking about it and me agreeing that I want to spend my time like that. Same thing for her, I don't tell her that she has to spend all of her time carting the kids around, or doing laundry or whatever.
I say Lana told me, but what Lana did was saying "I'm worried about how cold the floor is so I think we should heat it" or similar. I can certainly say I don't think its worth the bother or whatever and we can discuss it....and we will keep discussing it pretty much everyday, certainly anytime I want to buy car parts if I said we don't have the money at any point in the discussion or anytime I want to go to the shop if I said I don't have the time......the "discussion" ends when the requested task is complete so I usually just assume its an order and get on with it. Happy wife happy life kind of thing.
In reply to mke :
if slowing progress on your car build is the biggest negative, i'd say you're pretty blessed to have Lana as your partner in all this. at the end of the day, you've got a wife who takes care of you and you live in a baller house with great landscaping. and a crazy V12 308 in the garage.
mke said:I go in and explain to Lana whats going on, she goes out and 5 minutes later the stuff was on the patio....she's just better at getting her way than most people.
Well, if I wasn't on Team Lana before, I would for sure be after that. :)
In reply to mke :
I don't take orders well, not from someone who doesn't outrank me. Which at this point in my career isn't that many people.
FWIW- you don't need to spend thousands on a projector to get something nice for a home theater/gaming. I bought the projector rated "best under $750" in 2016 and it's a BenQ. It gets a lot of use - currently lamp #2 and probably #3 soon.
This was the day I installed it, before the speakers and shades. 132" diagonal. No special screen paint just a wall (Room is 122" to underside of joists)
In reply to OHSCrifle :
Yeah... there isn't a big budget for really anything. The projector I want up on the ceiling to make it as neat as possible but I have a beam....so it has to go in front of it to stay on the ceiling but with most projectors that limits the screen to 100-110", and the space I have is for 130".
Also the kids are all about gaming these say and are old enough to understand refresh rate, and lana understands pixels so at least a 144hz refresh and 4k are also requirements......that left me 1 projector option under $2k, but 1 is all i need
You can see the space...the screen area is in a 2ft bump- out, at the far end from my glass doors with the light on the screen area blocked by the bump-out and the stairs. Then I have room for beanbags or similar, a sofa, then a platform and a second sofa (or theater chairs eventually), behind that is a 42" tall counter that will have 4-5 stools, then a pool table ( lana is obsessed with that for some reason), and at the side of the counter a self-serve bar....eventually. It should be nice........eventually.
With the ceiling mostly in I'm really loving how my doors look....pre-ceiling I was regretting buying the in stock height instead of special ordering taller, that I couldn't actually afford. But now there is drywall I'm pretty happy with both the result and savings of sticking with the in-stock option.
Lana has a few decisions left open to let me finish both the ceiling and the framing. I really like vodka and lemonade, even more than beer usually....so the bar really needs ice. The plan is a about a 10ft counter we can set food out on and under the counter 24" cabinet, 3 24" glass door coolers (beer, wine, soda), 24" cabinet....very symmetric so it works with my OCD...then I remembered ice! there will be a small sink on the counter, and an ice bucket is easy but where does the ice come from? upstairs?...that's a of of walking when I'm drunk.....maybe a fridge in the storage area (we have an old fridge down there now we use on party days for extra beer, birthday cake, etc, but off most of the time....or in the little hall to the bathroom but them the old fridge need to be replaced since it will be seen.....or reduce the storeroom and add a small pantry like area that hides it and adds a small counter and/or more cabinets , I've already plumbed in a utility sink which would them be in the pantry)? Lana needs to tell me what she wants which then determines the little hall width and I know where to cut the light holes to center them in the hall and make a straight row out into the room (remember my OCD).
In reply to mke : gonna be awesome. The 80" doors look good. I have an inexpensive countertop ice maker from Costco that produces a E36 M3 ton of ice quickly.
In reply to OHSCrifle :
i hope it comes out good....its going to be a while though before there is budget for "the list". I think get it to a clean(ish) state then at money permits.....I see a couple years before the everything is bought.
countertop icemaker like a simple one you add water manually and the ice just kind of melts it you don't use it? I was afraid it would be too slow not having any real storage? We have a 20 year fridge that they appear to still make the exact same model so we can buy thr icemaker for like $50...but its white and 20 years old so in the store room its good, but on display its...well....what it is.
We have a radon test out (very common here) and should have results the end of the week. Then its either finish the walls or figure out a plan on solving radon which could involve sealing the french drain around the floor perimeter .... which is a bit harder now that the walls are framed. Lots to do before any more serious spending is needed , hoping to do the projector for Christmas.
surely you installed doors that when opened allow for a car to be moved in there? Every bar needs a conversation piece.
I might have both a use for the edge we never use and a cheaper way to get piping into the slab.....lana found a video of a machine to cut grooves....hmmmm.......after a bit she says we have q machine that looks like that, put a diamond blade on and it cuts pretty well :)
i need a cig after this read, and i dont even smoke....
my gfather has a 308gtb....this looks better. lol
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