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sleepyhead the buffalo
sleepyhead the buffalo GRM+ Memberand Mod Squad
6/27/21 9:49 a.m.

It depends on the track/organization.  I've done/seen some that have no cones on track, and it's point to point segments of the track.  Shenandoah allows two configs of that pretty easily, and there's a winter series that gets run.  I think there's a similar setup at Dominion too... but there's a bit more Jersey barrier to hit there;  and I dunno what the track surface is like of late (was kinda bumpy a few years ago)

bluej (Forum Supporter)
bluej (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
6/27/21 10:24 a.m.

Is an electric power steering pump an option?

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/27/21 11:24 a.m.

In reply to bluej (Forum Supporter) :

I honestly don't know. I need to look closely at where the fittings would go on the rack and see if I have clearance enough the hydraulic hard lines back on and still fit around the oil pan. I know I could not make a electric power steering assist column fit in my Dash. I'm sure there has to be a way but I couldn't figure it out.

hybridmomentspass
hybridmomentspass Reader
6/28/21 6:05 a.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

right next to the pull a part

 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/28/21 6:19 a.m.

In reply to hybridmomentspass :

Yessir!

You run with any of the lical clubs? Im generally a ccr-scca guy, and try to run triad when i have the time and money....

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PowerDork
6/28/21 6:55 a.m.

Do people put electric assist columns in the Miata?  Apparently the Prius electric assist is relatively easy to use as a standalone system.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/28/21 7:11 a.m.

I can't remember, is your rack just looped or fully deleted? 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/28/21 8:11 a.m.

In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

I tried. Honestly, I did. I couldn't figure out how to make it fit in the available space. 

Machinbeau: fully deleted. Taken apart, welded, the whole deal.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
6/28/21 9:18 a.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

Less castor would make it easier to steer, but that has its tradeoffs

bluej (Forum Supporter)
bluej (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
6/28/21 9:59 a.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah, if you can't fit the lines, that's that. I went back to look at engine bay pics, and I'd be surprised if you couldn't fit one of the forvo electric pumps in there. Electric makes it a bit easier to pull And loop the lines if needed (challenge setup). 

 

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/9/21 6:16 a.m.

is it just me, or is that a lot of body roll? 

Also, bigger steering wheel was a success, but its a little too big. Ill find one in between the two. 

And i need to fix the electrical issues. We bashed a repair in grid with a hose clamp and duct tape. Theres no reason the starter worked again, but it did (once) and it got my rins in and got me home

Im only 5 seconds off pace tese days, and improving most runs. This last event was a DNF festival though,  as i just couldn't get my E36 M3 together after having to do an emergency repair and leave the car running in between the rest of the runs. But, it got me home!

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

Yes, it is. You need more spring & shocks, probably a bigger front bar too. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/9/21 9:58 a.m.

Body roll doesn't seem bad to me. Also keep in mind body roll is sort of a symptom rather than a design goal, if that makes sense. You want to design the suspension to handle well, and if the body ends up rolling a lot or a little, then it is what it is. That's much better than designing a suspension that doesn't roll but also doesn't handle well as a result. 

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/9/21 10:34 a.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) :

Im already running a 1.25 front bar....

However i think youre right on springs. Wonder how much the hard s bilstein shocks will take? 800/550?

TVR Scott
TVR Scott GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/9/21 11:43 a.m.

For power steering, check out TheTick58's ecoboost Miata thread.  He added a Prius electric assist to a Miata a lot like yours.  Looked like it fit really nice tucked in under the dash.

I'll be considering similar for my project.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/9/21 3:55 p.m.

In reply to TVR Scott :

I had a Nissan eps column here that o could never figure out how to make fit and i gave it to eastcoastmojo. Ill need to find that thread and see how he did it.

dave215
dave215 New Reader
8/9/21 6:45 p.m.

Another electric power steering pump to look at is the mini cooper .Fairly compact unit and you can mount the tank just about anywhere .I have one in my porsche and it has been flawless for 3 years .

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

I can answer that, but I'm on 800/650 springs with a stock 1.6 & I'm guessing you probably have a bit more weight up front?

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/9/21 8:52 p.m.
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

I can answer that, but I'm on 800/650 springs with a stock 1.6 & I'm guessing you probably have a bit more weight up front?

Probably only 100 lbs more.  Just an educated guess.  The gm v6 are pretty light actually.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/15/21 8:07 a.m.
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

I can answer that, but I'm on 800/650 springs with a stock 1.6 & I'm guessing you probably have a bit more weight up front?

So, is that a yes, the stock hard s bilstein will do that much raye and not be pissed about it?

 

Also, The ac is coming out of the miata. Ive spent too much time and money on it for it to still need more time and money to function, and it has the unintended consequences of making the car run hot.

 

Think im replacing it with an oil cooler and accusump

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/18/21 8:58 a.m.

$95 worth of fittings and hose are on their way. I had everything else.

Anyone have a nice way to mount the accusump cylinder? Mine came with no mounting hardware whatsoever. 

I have the adel clamps or hose clamps, but theres gotta be something more elegant. 

java230
java230 UberDork
8/18/21 10:34 a.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

Weren't you the one c0mmenting on the Travelall thread long ago about AC? Is this the facorty system or the one you were saying was easy to retrofit?

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
8/18/21 11:44 a.m.

In reply to java230 :

Yep. That was me. Im generally a huge proponent of ac. 

The system we were talking about was either a vintage air setup,  or retrofitting a sanden 508  to factory air.

The problem with this install is one of space and budget. I have been trying to use stock miata for everything but the compressor. All the stock parts are oring based, and metric. The sanden is American.  Without stupid expensive custom fittings that you have to guess and pray when ordering. you're stuck with sloppy fitting American fittings placed into a slightly larger metric hose and crushed down praying for a leak free seal. The other option is to find to pricey metric fittings for the evaporator on the firewall and replace everything else including the condenser and dryer with normal street rod stuff. With that you're running to space constraints due to the V6 swap. I additionally have the issues of belt tracking and tensioning with a front wheel drive V6 turn rear wheel drive and no standard way to locate any of the accessories on the front of the engine. Add that to the fact that the condenser kills enough air flow through the radiator causing it to run hot and it's just not feasible in this application

java230
java230 UberDork
8/18/21 3:25 p.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

Yes the sanden is what I remember. 

 

Good to know its not that, but a mash up of parts. 

Justjim75
Justjim75 SuperDork
8/18/21 4:30 p.m.
Dusterbd13-michael said:

In reply to java230 :

Yep. That was me. Im generally a huge proponent of ac. 

The system we were talking about was either a vintage air setup,  or retrofitting a sanden 508  to factory air.

The problem with this install is one of space and budget. I have been trying to use stock miata for everything but the compressor. All the stock parts are oring based, and metric. The sanden is American.  Without stupid expensive custom fittings that you have to guess and pray when ordering. you're stuck with sloppy fitting American fittings placed into a slightly larger metric hose and crushed down praying for a leak free seal. The other option is to find to pricey metric fittings for the evaporator on the firewall and replace everything else including the condenser and dryer with normal street rod stuff. With that you're running to space constraints due to the V6 swap. I additionally have the issues of belt tracking and tensioning with a front wheel drive V6 turn rear wheel drive and no standard way to locate any of the accessories on the front of the engine. Add that to the fact that the condenser kills enough air flow through the radiator causing it to run hot and it's just not feasible in this application

You thought of about 3 things I hadn't considered.   Although I never doubted it being the right move, it was cool to see it layer out like that.

 

Can I build my challenge car at your place?  PALEEEZE?

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